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Please STOP calling them elites. Creepy parasites and predators, yes. Not elites.

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The effete. It rhymes and is an apt description.

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Are you sure Mangione is the killer and not a patsy being framed for the hit? The killer and the person in the coffee shop aren't wearing the same jacket. The jacket of the coffee shop guy seems to be a lighter color and also has front pockets. And while it may be due to the angle of the shot, the killer seems to have thinner eyebrows, nor does the slope of the nose seem to match.

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Can’t say for certain, but he didn’t look like he was being framed when they pulled him out of the police car.

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What's certain at this point is that none of us can say for certain. :-)

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Backpack straps are also a different style and color. Much high strangeness here.

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Media did say he dropped a backpack in central park.

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Yeah a $300 designer bag was what he dropped but he keeps what's probably a surplus backpack? Not saying he's not the shooter but there's nothing connecting the face shot to the surveillance video.

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Have you read the manifesto, or his explanation online? If true it is emerging as implicating himself as well as a very sympathetic story.

https://archive.is/2024.12.09-230659/https://breloomlegacy.substack.com/p/the-allopathic-complex-and-its-consequences#selection-872.0-872.1

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Oh I get it. I've had two back surgeries because of fucking illegals ignoring stop signs. This is just a bit too neat though. He literally gets caught with a ghost gun, silencer, fake id, and a convenient manifesto. Unlike the tranny shooter, the shit is out there right away? This almost sounds Sirhan Sirhan. Luigi even has an MKUltra moment with a few months sojourn in Japan where he just disappears.

Until I'm shown a clear chain of logic/assumptions, I'm gonna smell an elite rat. The Insider Trading accusations throw up a huge flag. People like the Rothschilds operate at a different level than us. Mentally ill patsies are easily found. There are enough anomalies to question the quick and clean narrative.

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I think he posted that while he was on the run. The “manifest” he supposedly had in his pocket, the police are reporting different language. But I keep repeating, it is all conjecture at this point.

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It’s interesting that in the opening of his manifesto he uses the concept of self defense. Not punishment.

I have a family member who had Lyme, was refused doxycycline and after 6 years of deterioration got a heart transplant, so each time Dad and I talked each other down, the concept of punishment was at the core, not self defense. Maybe it’s how dad and I are wired. Not sure. But his self defense seems less compelling.

I understand his reaction - and to be honest I’m surprised this hasn’t happened sooner, from those were more directly affected from the Covid mass murder. It’s tragic that his mother was so mistreated and that he has back pain, but the parent of a child who dropped dead after being vaxed is more justification for meting out justice. Sometimes God selects someone to be his instrument. That’s why there was punishment for violating the laws in the Bible.

And there is a spectrum here: compare Daniel Penny and our treatment of him with Luigi. Penny defended those on that subway, and Luigi enacted punishment for what he reports as an attack on him and his mother. How much of Luigi’s account are we to believe? His writing is lucid, but how factual is it really?

The other thing I find odd is his discussion of the Constitution. He is so consumed with carrying out revenge incorrectly designated as self defense he takes the time to praise the Constitution, and categorize his acts a war. That is odd. Again, from my own personal experience doling out punishment and seeking revenge are the more immediate emotion and greater justification than war. I can’t help but think his description is an incitement for others.

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Not very well thought out, agreed. He is young, but that is not an excuse. Nor is the pain really. I think he gave up on life, and thought he would go out with a bang, but also maybe kinda thought he would start a kind of revolution, he knew not what.

All in all, I agree, I'm surprised it took so long, after Covid. But it is a factor of, do I have nothing left to live for? In America there is always, or long has been the promise of change. No matter how bad things got, you could work it out. But they have dehumanized so much, and Health Care has become so predatory and byzantine, and our national leadership so insular and corrupt, I think more and more people are thinking like Luigi. Which is not a good thing, very destabilizing.

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I agree re the possibility in America of change being something to hold out for, but as you say their has been a systematic dehumanization process that is finally getting to many. With so few actually aware of our history, our heritage of overcoming odds greater in many respects than what we experience today you can see why many check out.

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Maybe, maybe not.

I only say that because what is the response to this going to be?

It wasn't a mass shooting, so there's no gun control angle here.

There's something else going on. It's not about getting caught or not. Why would someone tote around a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter -- unless you're apprehended?

If Mangione was an intelligent person, which he appears to be, why would he NOT put his manifesto online? Why have it on his person -- where it can be taken and never shared with the public? Did he even have a United Healthcare plan?

Max Azzarello, the guy that set himself on fire outside of the Trump trial, left a manifesto on Substack.

I can't see where Mangione wouldn't do the same. If he had a true message to get out there (something he believed in enough to murder someone) he would be smart enough to get it out there -- before it could be taken down.

None of this lines up.

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This is what is supposed to be the post he put online.

https://archive.is/2024.12.09-230659/https://breloomlegacy.substack.com/p/the-allopathic-complex-and-its-consequences#selection-872.0-872.1

This is said to be what he had in his pocket. But I think there is a different uglier one being feed to the media, that seems more made up than these.

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto?triedRedirect=true

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They said he was on Substack. Where is a direct Substack link? Did Substack take it down?

Things just don't add up here.

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Now I've got to look at the authors he follows.

I just want to see if anything jumps out.

I'm betting it won't.

Do you remember, they tried to say that the Virginia Tech shooter was influenced by the South Korean movie “Old Boy?'“

I actually watched that movie. And while I'll admit it was messed up (what happens to the guy in the movie is absolutely insane) that movie in no way would lead someone to commit a mass shooting.

I'm just wondering what they're going to try and blame Mageone's actions on? Or, will they actually blame the insurance company? 🤔

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Fox News brings up Kazinsky every time they talk about him, too dumb to know anybody who has read him knows he is smarter than anyone at Fox. Of course I will add the obligatory, his bombing people was misguided and wrong.

A lot of media are trying to figure out how to thread that. Obviously most people left and right despise the health insurance companies, surely a majority of Americans. But the deep state media cannot really criticize insurance companies without opening up questioning Obama and ObamaCare. But Fox can’t question ObamaCare now by way of criticising Insurance companies without looking like they are supporting the shooter. It is kind of hilarious.

Weirdly, the only one I saw really address it was that odious Sonny Hostin on The View, reading some of the comments she saw on social media, equating the CEO’s death with claims denial lingo.

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It has been strange hasn't it.

The MSM are painted into a corner with this. And you're right -- they have no idea what to do. They don't want to open the door to people realizing that insurance sucks -- because they made it MUCH worse through legislation and regulation.

Obamacare was never supposed to work that's the real catch. These things were admitted by politicians a few years back. I documented it here in 2014:

https://ogre.substack.com/p/as-i-have-said-over-and-over-again

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You pretty much, well exactly, said what I and people I know have been saying, ie he represents the feelings of a LOT of people in this country who are tired of being preyed upon by scumbags who feel insulated from accountability and actual punishment. The rest of us are constrained not only by personal ethics and decency, but also because we know there is a high price paid by the unwashed masses for breaking laws. Not so for those who believe they’re above the law or at least very unlikely to pay a price. In the real world I’ve always lived in, if I wanted to get punched in the face I could win that bet within an hour. These guys don’t even consider that as a possibility because they don’t live in the real world, but a contrived, delusional, and even sociopathic one.

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This has our elite spooked, but then watching Jesse Waters on Fox last night, he was sneering about it, mocking, tone-deaf.

I’m pointing out, and trying to be judicious about it, Mangione did what most Americans have imagined at some point. That is a warning, there are a lot of people out there who could potentially go from from thought to deed, no one in power is safe once that dam breaks. So, course correct, elite. But I do not know that they can.

I am hopeful though the last election will spur that change.

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Mangione thought too small. You want to take out an elite, why not Bill Gates? Soros? Larry Fink? People who are nothing but toxic, parasitical, destructive. Not some schmuck making a lousy ten million a year.

I'm guessing Mangione has handlers. It's too convenient that this happens shortly after Trump wins, just like the Syria debacle "just happened" now (total coincidence). Where was Mangione during those months when he "disappeared"? Who was he talking to? How did we suddenly know everything about him, in no time flat, when we still don't know a damn thing about the Trump assassins, the J6 bomber guy, etc. etc. It's all very, very convenient.

I'm guessing some geniuses (aka sociopaths) in the CIA were planning months ago what to do if Trump won. Hey, why not stir up a Leftwing class war, but a violent one this time, not like the other Deep State cut out of Occupy Wall Street. What concerns me is what else do they have up their sleeves?

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If his online manifesto is to be believed, he had a beef with UHC, and so the CEO is the biggest fish in that dept of the greater UH company. But also, how did he know where and when to find him, when there was nothing about it that would be routine?

Of course psyop is as likely as any other scenario, right now. If it isn't, they can still use it to their advantage, or supposed advantage. I'm leaning toward, organic outburst of something everybody has been feeling or thinking, even as everyone is careful to say they do not condone it. That is a potential problem for them, for all of us really, potentially very destabilizing, when people start thinking elite are vulnerable and start acting on it.

It would be healthy if this initiates a conversation about what a societal problem Health Insurance has become, and how much it is contrary to actual care, and how expensive it makes the system. UH is a conglomerate swallowing everything in the chain from pharma to doctors to insurers, which is an unholy trinity with predictable outcomes.

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How many pension funds have been raided over the years?

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Ask Mitt Romney

Unfortunately as you say our politicians just want to feed at the trough and don’t care about us deplorables paraphrasing Hillary

Biden loves gaslighting all Americans

Putting al qaeda in charge of a caliphate in Syria

That’s the best gaslighting I have ever seen

Stick a thorn in Americas wound

And as you say no accountability

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Which is why I have more sympathy for Luigi Mangione, than I do faith and trust in the scumbags running DC.

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Yes the corporate system is becoming a hell world every bit as much as the socialist top down rule of everything hellholes. We need to figure out how to use modern tools and craft and tradesmen labor to make things that have quality and soul, the qualities they are trying to strip from us. I write about that in this essay.

https://substack.com/@whispertrees/p-152428937

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Nice piece WHD!

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Much appreciated, Frontera Lupita!

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still a little to early to tell what the exact story is--I want to hear Mangione's own words, the sooner the better--but if everything is as it appears on the surface at present, I think you have the most insightful take. Apparently chronic back pain isn't an issue; his operation was a success. But otherwise, your take is on-point. But if something happens to Mangione and he never gets to offer his own reasoning for taking this drastic step, other possibilities arise.

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Why this, why now.

I can't help but think this is related to the global backlash against big Pharma.

With the Biosecurity State incoming - you get people outraged and actually cheering on the murder of a CEO representing one of the many heads of this hydra, and it gives them the perfect excuse to crack down even harder.

A biosecurity-allied Brian Thompson/Health Insurance company, gives just enough arms-length separation from a biosecurity-allied Albert Bourla/Pharmaceutical company.

The message being - the Public is a threat to both, and some serious steps are going to have to be taken to reign them in and control them.

- Knowing that your future access to your digital currency is going to be contingent upon (among many things) your medical compliance, especially your vaccine status.

- Knowing there is worldwide backlash to their mRNA concoctions.

- Knowing the WHO and cronies have publicly stated they're going to need to “get serious” about combatting said backlash.

- And knowing they've just bet the farm on future riches based on mRNA technology (& are busy building billion dollar manufacturing facilities all over the world) this is not a fight they're going to lose.

I suspect an “anti-vaxxer” shooting a Big Pharma CEO would have been way too obvious as propaganda.

This seems to be the proxy for the message that people who oppose the Health/Medical Industrial Complex are dangerous.

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That last line of yours is how the media will spin this, though it depends on the media. Fox is condemning the violence and the shooter, while some media on the left are trying to stir up the shock troops.

Hopefully the Trump folks realize they need to slay the health care dragon

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This will end like it always does - Pogrom the Jews of Wall Street and the boards of the S&P500. No Jews will be allowed to run American corporations. Their assets will be seized and Jews will be retuned to the Russian Pale. Pogroms happened 109 times in recent history already, thousands of times in recorded history.

Pogromming Jewish parasites is as natural as warfare. Time to man up.

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It's my understanding that they have been run out of 109 nations, kingdoms and provinces over 1100 times in the last 2000 years.

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The Jewish criminal record is worse than George Floyd’s.

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The DJ enjoys spinning toons, "trolling" as it's called

Opportunity knocks

Trump & Friends can kick off a system-wide look-see at Presidential Pardons by suggesting an immediate pardon for Luigi Mangione

[> Would first have to convince us that he is the shooter and that Brian Thompson is dead .. many don't auto-believe either is true <]

Once that preliminary dance is done, on with it:

Point out the never-ending horrors that Doktor Fauci and the Medical/Pharmaceutical/Healthcare/Hospitals perpetuated

The continuing gangsterism by Military/Industrial/Langley/FiveEyes with their private wars for profit

Throw in Blackrock/Federal Reserve/Wall Street Boondoggler vampirism

Additionally point out that unlike Unabomber Kaczynski, Mangione killed only an active participant, with no innocent bystanders. Might also point out that Kaczynski was created by Langley handlers as contrast

After enough revelations, Mangione's actions will look not only justified, but laudable

And suggest that an immediate pardon and a Presidential Medal of Freedom should be granted

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I think he is a patsy of the State

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How so

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I will post about it tomorrow. The MSM is starting to feed the narrative of him as a folk hero, the CEO the oppressor. That will invite stochastic violence, copy cats. They are going to use him to swamp Trump. Matt Taibbi and Kirn talked about it today. Worth the listen.

https://www.racket.news/p/america-this-week-dec-13-2024-assassination

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Having faith that our elite will suddenly start seeing us as “not just something to exploit” without some kind of incentive or pressure put on them is retarded. There are no “adults in the room”, only interconnected black boxes of self interest, looping back and forth on themselves endlessly. Reimagining our economic order will take mass public action and vision from both elite and non-elite. We are all responsible for this mess.

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He failed

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I don’t think he really knew what he was trying to accomplish. I think he had given up on life and meant to go out with a bang. But he didn’t even get that right, going out. It remains to be seen though, what comes of this, in terms of repercussions.

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He has back pain, boo hoo. He also has Ivy League rich boy privilege

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Might ask yourself why he was willing to throw away that rich boy privilege for this. I don't think insanity explains it.

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A grandiose vision of himself as an avenging hero

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Definitely. But a lot of young men feel that way. What made him take the step from imagining to action?

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I don’t know why he did when others didn’t, but it is a numbers game, for sure. Out of thousands, maybe millions, who feel that way, only a small percentage will take that leap

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