I can't see how one can survive gardening and be dogmatic. Nature has laws, and one of them seems to be "adapt and survive " . My tiny gardening is where I do my best meditation. Quite often bare handed and bare footed. I sometimes pay for that when fire ants find me. Then meditation guys set aside for furious rounds of cussing and then chewing and poultice of plantain.
I'm trying biochar. And David the Good's Fetid Swamp Water in a limited fashion this year. . Lol
Jerusalem artichokes, a survival crop, came up. It's my first year with those and I figure this patch will be what I use to plant others out away from the regular spots.
I'm looking at my peaches- third year of a volunteer producing and up to what looks like 50, from the previous 1 and 3. Now I'm looking at them thinking " why are mine not fuzzy looking like everyone's vids?" The 4 peaches that " produced " last year never made it to fruition...failing from rot or ants. Perhaps , despite their golden innards, they're something else.
Creeping Charlie took over my shady lawn a couple years ago, out of nowhere! I've seen that it's edible, so there's that...but it tastes aweful, and is truly a pest. If you find a good way to keep it at bay? Let us know. Woodchips didn't help for me.
Ants have invaded my one expiramental hugel bed. Uuuuuuugh.
Ok- I was apparently talkative this morning. Off to go Do.
Stay safe today,everyone. It's going to be a rough weather day in Tornado Alley. 😔
I always laugh at what wild foodies refer to as edible. Digestible is one thing, edible is another, and palatable is wholly another. Swamp marigolds are said to be edible, if you boil the leaves in three changes of water. Same for red oak acorns.
As to the ants in your hugel bed, they might help aerate it? I see lots of ants in the gardens I've worked, but I've never seen them do any damage. But then we don't have fire ants this far north.
Sounds like you have a nectarine. I really miss my peach trees.
There is no solution to Creeping Charlie, but making peace with it. Though I am occasionally heard cursing the shithead who brought it here, to be an ornamental ground cover. I wonder what the afterlife is like sometimes, for those who brought buckthorn, honeysuckle, canary reed grass, smoothe brome, starlings, silver carp etc to the Americas?
Oh yes! Just let those acorns soak in a bag in a stream for 3 days and...
No...I'll do it if I'm starving, but I'm gunna have to drop 30 pounds anyhow!
I was surprised that Jerusalem artichokes were considered gourmet! So gassy. You didn't hear about the after effects on Hell's Kitchen!
I usually leave the ants alone...but yes...these are the Spicy kind. Just got this far north a decade ago. Just seeing armadillos last year.
Kudzu, because you've probably never experienced it, is pernicious... however it's highly medicinal and has a higher protein content than soy. Go figure...so I tried some new leaves last year: tastes like green beans! I'll be tearing it down for me and my chickens to eat! Ha!!
I've definitely had cycles of being dogmatic and then loosening from my dogma. It is usually when I realize that something I've been doing or thinking doesn't work, or is harmful, and then I get dogmatic about doing the opposite, or the way that I think will make it pure and perfect...but then I realize that that doesn't actually work and that life is more complex and nuanced than that, and none of the dogma can really cover it. I think the cycle itself is not inherently a problem, as long as we actually go through the whole cycle and don't try to force our dogma on others when we are at the most dogmatic...but obviously those two things are the least common to do.
I've always felt that, if done correctly, permaculture is anti-dogmatic. I always understood it to be a set of principles to apply to determine what is right for any time, place, and set of conditions. We can't be dogmatic if we truly take into account all the specific variables of one particular situation and determine how to deal with that situation on its on merits. But of course that sort of ideal in general is not well understood and practiced nowadays; we want to make everything the same and treat everything the same, or, "equal", I suppose some people would say.
I was prone to righteous dogmatism when I was younger. I sloughed it off eventually, I was so wrong so often, lol.
Permaculture is indeed about working with the land, not imposing one's will upon it. Imposing one's will is fundamental to industrial agriculture, which has resulted in chronic ill health of the land, waters, pollinators etc and people. The Great Reset is in fact even more imposing one's will, driving people and feed animals off the land, automating, consolidating.
The earth is astoundingly productive if one works with it, and can remain so indefinitely.
I guess it comes with the hard knocks of life that dogma is just plain stupid. So fun to read about your gardening. In fact it makes me feel a bit jealous considering your rural space and rural quiet. I got the gardening bug 40 years ago, and now my daughter has it. I've been reading about "earthing" and " grounding" and thinking maybe my love of gardening is related to that. But then I'm worrying about my cell phone use, microwave, etc etc, and return to my propensity to Be a Luddite (sp?). So goes My Dogma tendencies again ...😆I'm with your mom...
I'm glad to see one of my last dogmas standing, permaculture, be set free to roam. I've wondered if ALL the time and energy I put into preaching that gospel was really worth it. First they came for permaculture, then regenerative ag? Maybe so.
I can't see how one can survive gardening and be dogmatic. Nature has laws, and one of them seems to be "adapt and survive " . My tiny gardening is where I do my best meditation. Quite often bare handed and bare footed. I sometimes pay for that when fire ants find me. Then meditation guys set aside for furious rounds of cussing and then chewing and poultice of plantain.
I'm trying biochar. And David the Good's Fetid Swamp Water in a limited fashion this year. . Lol
Jerusalem artichokes, a survival crop, came up. It's my first year with those and I figure this patch will be what I use to plant others out away from the regular spots.
I'm looking at my peaches- third year of a volunteer producing and up to what looks like 50, from the previous 1 and 3. Now I'm looking at them thinking " why are mine not fuzzy looking like everyone's vids?" The 4 peaches that " produced " last year never made it to fruition...failing from rot or ants. Perhaps , despite their golden innards, they're something else.
Creeping Charlie took over my shady lawn a couple years ago, out of nowhere! I've seen that it's edible, so there's that...but it tastes aweful, and is truly a pest. If you find a good way to keep it at bay? Let us know. Woodchips didn't help for me.
Ants have invaded my one expiramental hugel bed. Uuuuuuugh.
Ok- I was apparently talkative this morning. Off to go Do.
Stay safe today,everyone. It's going to be a rough weather day in Tornado Alley. 😔
I always laugh at what wild foodies refer to as edible. Digestible is one thing, edible is another, and palatable is wholly another. Swamp marigolds are said to be edible, if you boil the leaves in three changes of water. Same for red oak acorns.
As to the ants in your hugel bed, they might help aerate it? I see lots of ants in the gardens I've worked, but I've never seen them do any damage. But then we don't have fire ants this far north.
Sounds like you have a nectarine. I really miss my peach trees.
There is no solution to Creeping Charlie, but making peace with it. Though I am occasionally heard cursing the shithead who brought it here, to be an ornamental ground cover. I wonder what the afterlife is like sometimes, for those who brought buckthorn, honeysuckle, canary reed grass, smoothe brome, starlings, silver carp etc to the Americas?
Oh yes! Just let those acorns soak in a bag in a stream for 3 days and...
No...I'll do it if I'm starving, but I'm gunna have to drop 30 pounds anyhow!
I was surprised that Jerusalem artichokes were considered gourmet! So gassy. You didn't hear about the after effects on Hell's Kitchen!
I usually leave the ants alone...but yes...these are the Spicy kind. Just got this far north a decade ago. Just seeing armadillos last year.
Kudzu, because you've probably never experienced it, is pernicious... however it's highly medicinal and has a higher protein content than soy. Go figure...so I tried some new leaves last year: tastes like green beans! I'll be tearing it down for me and my chickens to eat! Ha!!
Back in the day I found gardening next to impossible in the Dallas TX area due to fire ants.
Except for tomatoes. The fire ants did not like tomatoes.
To this day I wonder if one could make a fire ant killer out of tomato vine extract. (Or maybe potato vine.)
Agree that the vines and leaves stink!!
And they are quite toxic.
Nightshade fruits need to not be so tasty. 😔
The fruit itself is low in the toxins. It's the greenery that's heavy in the toxins. Sprouted seeds should be avoided as well.
Oh I know...I'm just saying! If the taters and peppers, etc weren't so good? I would get the foul toxins from leaves n vines on my skin. 🤣
I've definitely had cycles of being dogmatic and then loosening from my dogma. It is usually when I realize that something I've been doing or thinking doesn't work, or is harmful, and then I get dogmatic about doing the opposite, or the way that I think will make it pure and perfect...but then I realize that that doesn't actually work and that life is more complex and nuanced than that, and none of the dogma can really cover it. I think the cycle itself is not inherently a problem, as long as we actually go through the whole cycle and don't try to force our dogma on others when we are at the most dogmatic...but obviously those two things are the least common to do.
I've always felt that, if done correctly, permaculture is anti-dogmatic. I always understood it to be a set of principles to apply to determine what is right for any time, place, and set of conditions. We can't be dogmatic if we truly take into account all the specific variables of one particular situation and determine how to deal with that situation on its on merits. But of course that sort of ideal in general is not well understood and practiced nowadays; we want to make everything the same and treat everything the same, or, "equal", I suppose some people would say.
I was prone to righteous dogmatism when I was younger. I sloughed it off eventually, I was so wrong so often, lol.
Permaculture is indeed about working with the land, not imposing one's will upon it. Imposing one's will is fundamental to industrial agriculture, which has resulted in chronic ill health of the land, waters, pollinators etc and people. The Great Reset is in fact even more imposing one's will, driving people and feed animals off the land, automating, consolidating.
The earth is astoundingly productive if one works with it, and can remain so indefinitely.
I guess it comes with the hard knocks of life that dogma is just plain stupid. So fun to read about your gardening. In fact it makes me feel a bit jealous considering your rural space and rural quiet. I got the gardening bug 40 years ago, and now my daughter has it. I've been reading about "earthing" and " grounding" and thinking maybe my love of gardening is related to that. But then I'm worrying about my cell phone use, microwave, etc etc, and return to my propensity to Be a Luddite (sp?). So goes My Dogma tendencies again ...😆I'm with your mom...
We need more Luddites, who merely appreciate less high tech and more analog craft skilled masterful living...
Yeah, IDK, we were all rolling our eyes at mom 30 years ago as she warned about Marxists taking over the country. Should have listened.....
She was right! Unfortunately I was one of them. But there's always hope! 😆
I'm glad to see one of my last dogmas standing, permaculture, be set free to roam. I've wondered if ALL the time and energy I put into preaching that gospel was really worth it. First they came for permaculture, then regenerative ag? Maybe so.
Ironically I just quoted you quoting from The Inner King in my article last night, which also mentions dogma along with some darn pretty pictures: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/cosmology-and-the-course
well, i will do what ever it takes to get a good crop of great tasting food. no dogma needed or wanted.