Tonic Discussions Episode II
Tonic Discussions Episode II
Laughing at the Faustian Bargain
I thought I had listened to all of the Tonic Discussions from the Tonic Seven at Diemos Station, but somehow this one slipped past me until today. I am surprised it is still available on YouTube. It has proven my favorite of the eleven podcasts. (I discussed episode five in a previous post.)
Ostensibly, Episode 2 was about the phenomenon of trans, but it was really about the devil, demons and God.
It is rare to hear highly intelligent men talk about such, trying to break through the materialist world view that has such a lock on our consciousness, to get at that which is unseen. The most thoughtful on this topic of God and the Devil in relation to the trans movement proved to be Mark Bisone, at The Cat Was Never Found, though Luc at LucTalks has written extensively on the topic of the shattering materialist worldview and alternatives, as well.
Everyone present for the discussion has written extensively about trans, which can be loosely summed up as a movement to transcend biology, whether you are talking about gender ideology or transhumanism and the desire to mechanically augment humans to the point of downloading ones consciousness onto the interweb to become the singularity.
There seemed an agreement that if you posit the existence of a devil then there must be a God. The general consensus seemed that the trans phenomenon, particularly in it’s obsession with grooming children to become trans even unto being sterilized and made eunuchs, is demonic in a clear sense. They seemed to allow that demons can and do influence people, essentially commandeering consciousness, that one so influenced comes to mutilate him or herself, physically, mentally and spiritually, and demand it of others.
I want to focus on something Mark said, that the occult is the summoning of demons and gods of old, whose cultists sacrificed children and feminized men. That is a common assumption among Christians - and Mark does consider himself a Christian - that all gods not God are evil. But if one posits the existence of God, the devil and myriad demons who devour misery and pain, then it is entirely reasonable to posit the existence of gods and beings who would help humanity, if we only knew how to seek them. Christians do acknowledge the existence of angels. But that leaves no place for good gods, or supernatural beings who are not gods or angels but would help humanity, or even gods or supernatural beings who take no interest in humanity or the earth whatever. If the universe is full of demons it is also full of the opposite of demons. So why are we so focused on demons and the devil?
It is wrong to assume, as a lot of people do, that Christianity is an inherently negative thing and so too all of it’s adherents, as it is to claim that everyone who studies the occult is somehow evil, or anything in the unseen that is not God or an Angel is a demon or the devil.
The occult is the science of the unseen, according to most occultists. God is unseen, Angels are unseen as are the devil and demons. The kind of occult I study is to understand God, Angels, and good gods and good spirits, as well as my enemy, the devil and his minions. That is the knowledge that was taken away from us in the “enlightenment”, with the advent of reason, logic, rationality and scientific materialism. When Nietsche said God is Dead, what he meant was (simplified) modern consciousness killed the idea of God and everything else in the metaphysical, good and bad. When Faust made his deal with the devil, he forgot to ask God, the Angels or any other good or beneficial god or spirit for the same. The devil required his soul; it never seemed to occur to him he might have had a deeper understanding and might have achieved more, if he had asked God. But God and the Angels etc expect you to strengthen your soul, to make your ethics firm and morals strong. It takes work to build character, it is lazy and a deadly shortcut to give yourself up to the devil and demons for earthly wealth, power and esteem, which is what the trans and woke movements have done, posthaste, like the proverbial magic jab. Except for the most part they are unawares, as above all it is their weak character and low self-awareness plus their atheistic nihilism that makes them so vulnerable to the demonic.
The study of the occult, the science of the unseen, is the unification of Reason and Faith, said Eliphas Levi, in his Doctrine and Ritual of High Magic. Magic in that sense could be called the making of spiritual excellence. When Andrew Tate talks about excellence, he is mostly talking about abs, Bugati’s, private jets and beautiful women, which to seek without God or ethics or morals is ultimately demonic. Andrew does talk about God, but mostly in the context of glorifying material excellence. Great earthly wealth is not inherently evil, but Christians are not wrong to claim it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Tate’s “excellence” in not the kingdom on earth as it is in heaven, he’s just a little king on earth. (Tate on the other hand is quite refreshing, compared to the fragile, self-righteous scolds who make up the bulk of the Diversity, Inclusion and Equity crowd.)
That bit about ethics and morals is important. What does the Globohomo GAE empire and it’s social justice warriors and professional class managers have to say about ethics and morals? There is no such thing, it is all a made up fiction to bind humanity, there is only power. But seeking earthly power and material wealth without ethics and morals is to fall easy prey to the devil and demonic energy. It is much better to be about excellence, physical, mental and spiritual excellence for God and the Angels and those lesser gods and spirits who would help us, for the earth, family, friends and community.
But to fulfill that, we must first venture into the metaphysical forest.
John Michael Greer made that excellent point in a recent post on his Ecosophia website, Beyond Thaumatophobia 2: The Night Forest.
Perhaps you recall, dear reader, your first overnight campout in the woods. If you grew up in urban or suburban settings, the sheer impenetrable blackness of a night unbroken by streetlamps and porch lights shocked you by its raw intensity. It sank in, as the campfire burned low, that if something went wrong you really, truly were many miles away from help. A flashlight, maybe, gave you enough light to get undressed and climb into your sleeping bag, but once you switched it off, the darkness closed in…and then you heard the noises.
The noises are usually what makes that first night in the woods an experience to remember. Some of them are loud and some of them are soft, but you don’t recognize any of them. Lying there in the dark, with nothing but your sleeping bag and the thin fabric of the tent between you and whatever is making the noises, it’s all too easy to imagine that one of them, or more than one of them, or just possibly all of them are being made by something large and hairy and very hungry…something with horrible fangs and claws…something that’s pondering your tent at this very moment, contemplating the nutritional qualities of small children…
Now of course the number of children on campouts who are devoured by wild beasts is actually quite small. That knowledge wasn’t any comfort to the notional singer in Allan Sherman’s most famous song, and his mock-desperate words—“Don’t leave me out in the forest where I might get eaten by a bear!”—mirror the sentiments of many children exposed for the first time to their own equivalent of Camp Granada. Nonetheless it’s a fairly safe assumption that you woke up the next morning to find your tent unshredded and your flesh unmunched.
What followed that first experience is just as important. A few more repetitions of the experience, and the noises stopped bothering you; if camping became a regular pastime of yours, you quite possibly found that the sounds of the forest at night became a source of comfort; and if you knew someone who could teach you the ways of the forest, you might get to the point at which each sound meant something: this one’s a tree frog, that one’s a nightjar, those soft sounds over there tell you that a deer is picking her way through your campsite, and so on.
All things considered, the metaphysical side of existence is not that different from a forest at night. Our familiar senses don’t give us much information to go on, and our ordinary habits of thought and action are hopelessly inadequate to the demands of the situation. That makes it very easy to slip into the state of dread that Allan Sherman parodied in the song just cited, in which primal terrors come boiling up from the deep places of the mind and every stray sound seems to herald the imminent approach of doom. Most people who encounter the metaphysical realm have that experience, at least briefly, and some never outgrow it.
If we are not winning the war between good and evil, it is in part because we are as removed from the forest as we are from the metaphysical. There are many casualties in this war. My home State, Minnesota, was recently profiled in the New York Times, celebrated for the way parents are flocking to this “sanctuary State” to sterilize their girls and make eunuchs of their boys. Whatever is said to the contrary, that is the great dream of eugenicists, convincing people not to breed, to make certain their own children will not be able to breed. That has a long tradition in Europe and America, it was a progressive thing in the early years of the 20th century, it is a progressive thing now. It was also a Nazi thing, though modern progressives are Marxist supposedly. There are many casualties, and more in the making, in this war, which is spiritual at it’s core. Has the demonization of the movie Sound of Freedom not convinced you, that only a demonic energy could condemn a movie about protecting children from the sex trade, while condemning the Andrew Tate/Tucker Carlson discussion like it was somehow all about glorifying a sex trafficker?
Daniel D, who also had much to say in Tonic Discussions Episode II, is more optimistic about the state of things in this post. Perhaps his optimism is warranted. But then, why is Angel Studios referring people concerned about the child sex trade, to NGOs suspected of pederasty and facilitating the child sex trade? If we can’t any longer tell what is a psyop and what is not, I’m merely suggesting it is in part because we have forgotten how to seek for help from the unseen, and that has given an opening to the covidians, woke and trans to gain advantage. It is in the favor of demons and the devil for us to believe that seeking assistance from any gods and spirits not called God or Angels is seeking the devil and demons.
I am no expert in seeking help from gods and spirits or the Angels, though I offer gratitude to many a spirit and deity. I rarely ask for anything, and to date have summoned nothing intentionally. I am very cautious about summoning anything, should I not be ethically, morally and spiritually strong, as I refuse to fall prey to any energy I do not consent to, post covid. I think however, if we are going to win this war for the soul of America and protect our own soul and others, we are going to have to reacquaint ourselves with God, Angels, and other beings who would help us.
It is not enough to mock and laugh at our globohomo Gae imperial overlords and the devil, as John Carter advocated for, though it is important as he says and it does take away some of their power while empowering you, laughing.
Nor is it enough to be an expert on the psychology and mechanics of evil, as tonic warrior Harrison Koehli is, though he did point out that one of the most effective ways of keeping children from falling prey to evil is to severely limit their time on social media.
One way to know more certainly that the trans phenomenon in all it’s manifestations is demonic is that the transcending of the material is a core teaching of the occult, and most religions. The occult teaching is to embrace the material to transcend it, embrace being human because you will die, and when you do you must be ready to transition into the metaphysical. Trans turns that upside down, attempting to utterly transcend the material in the material, while essentially denying the existence of the metaphysical.
I expect to have more to say about the metaphysical over time. In the meantime, I highly recommend Tonic Discussions Episode II, Laughing at the Faustian Bargain
If he isn't careful, Andrew Tate will end up as a frail old man in a nursing home, needing someone to wipe his ass. All of these tough talkers have that eventuality in the back of their minds.
When you don't hold perverts accountable, you end up with more perversion. Not a matter of good or evil, or metaphysics. Accountability is based on agency. Individuals have agency, thus they are responsible for the shit they do.
The devil made me do it. What kind of an excuse is that? Guilty.
What kind of an accusation is that? Not guilty. Women were accused of witchcraft and burned at the stake; the mentally ill were tortured to drive out so-called demons. Enough of this foolishness.
I am an atheist by the way.