With Dr Hotez you can sense that he's in his own personal hell of sorts staunchly defending vaccines which likely irreparably damaged his daughter. I pity him in a way as I think the death or disfigurement of children is the worst personal Hell a parent can endure. That said the example of Krishna is illustrative: the perpetrator of abuse is emboldened by the forgiveness and becomes even more absuive and full of contempt. Now that it is at a point of mass genocide there needs to be a righting of the karmic balance...
I feel like I get what you mean. We can still have love for all beings even those that want to kill us, we can practice ahimsa, non- harming, and still stand up for ourselves.
In my experience if I give into anger and hatred, which is justified, I feel like I lose my humanity. So having compassion, at a distance, for an abuser is the way I keep balance and keep my soul intact. Compassion for an abuser does not mean letting them abuse us, just acknowledging they are human, if very disturbed and twisted. We must still stand up for ourselves and our fellow human beings from abusers of any kind. 🪷
Tend your soul first, right action flows from there. Of course forgiveness is just one aspect of soul tending, but one that is most hard to understand, particularly in this political climate, which is why I have dwelt on it. But I will not be harping on it, moving along.
Yes! Well said, tend to your soul first and then right action flows from there..... I love that and its true. We want to make good changes, not repeat mistakes or give into hatred or bitterness.
Oh what a beautiful post, William. My last episodes on Pedo-Sadists has been my most controversial, even more than Forgiving Hitler, because it deals with this topic.
My definition of forgiveness is a little different than yours. It's giving the benefit of the doubt forward that, if I had been born in that person's life, I would have done no better ... maybe worse. So my focus is on understanding what would make me do something like that--going to the cause--and then taking away the reward system--enacting the consequences.
You do this succinctly with Hotez. He completely reveals his reason for his fanaticism with the title of his book on his daughter: Vaccines Did Not Cause Rachel's Autism. And I agree that I wouldn't wish that on anyone, to be living with the immediate consequences of his decisions, with his self-worth depending on his denial.
Since you and I connected first on tonic masculinity, I feel like the response to evil actions can be another form of the toxic patriarchy, which I define as superiority, or the maternal--and you know I think of masculine and feminine as being attributes of all of us. The domineering father archetype reacts to bad behavior with blame, yelling, punishment. The nurturing mother archetype asks why? Not of the child but of their own intuition. She looks at the reward system and what the child is getting from the bad behavior. And then she changes that.
With Hotez or Pedo-Sadists, taking their power over others away is tantamount. Our hatred, anger or blame doesn't accomplish that. I love your spiritual alchemy.
Since reading this article, I have had several conversations about forgiveness with people of very disparate ideologies. They all agree that "forgiveness" is for the one harmed, to release hatred and other negative attachments. I personally think that those attachments will be fodder for the Karmic Recycling Team after death to persuade souls to return to Prison Planet to "redeem" themselves. The folks I have talked with also believe that there is a lot of desire for "absolution" by the ones who actually cause the harm. It gives me hope for mankind.
It is hard to imagine working in he medical industry and having an inkling of the harm, but I imagine there are many throughout who would like a reorienting.
Indeed. I should also clarify that when I used the word "absolution," I meant that many harm-causers want to be forgiven as a spiritual bypass. Like Emily Oster and those others begging "Covid Amnesty," they are not likely to take responsibility for their actions, either spiritually, psychologically, or in their future deeds. In fact, I believe most of them to be full-on Satanists or Luciferians who are playing their given role in perpetuating and expanding the Matrix. But yes, many are coming to terms with their harmful acts, and seek true forgiveness and as you say so well, "a reorienting."
Calls for covid amnesty are hollow from those who continue to deny the harm of covid policy. Most of what I see from the medical community now is solidifying the justification for total censorship of anyone who questions them.
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Excellent article, William, on a difficult subject.
And how you linked Krshna's and Christ's actions and ideas about the principle of forgiveness being distinct from acting against injustice or turning a blind eye. It seems to me that there is a great deal of confusion about that.
I recommend to those who haven't read it, Tereza Coraggio's excellent essay on this topic too, which she courageously calls "Forgiving Hitler: and questioning the narrative of WWII".
Forgiveness is not something that can be forced or inauthentically mouthed. Alice Miller argues well that the psychologically accepted importance of forgiveness has often been demanded as necessary for healing the personal psyche. For those who are unable to accept that they have the power to free themselves from bondage with their perceived past or present tormentors in whatever guise they present themselves, will often die young. It is a fascinating and well argued idea, making good use of the childhood abuse ACE studies. For the curious, 'The Body Never Lies: The Lingering Effects of Hurtful Parenting.' https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/386697.The_Body_Never_Lies
And what is very challenging by we victims of having been traumatised, or as we are experiencing now an ongoing genocidal effort, is that without true forgiveness we are bound to the 'enemy' much more strongly than if we let them go out of our hearts, because anger against the abuser keeps the enemy inside of us. Hmmm. Forgiveness is allowing our hearts to clear out their toxicity from ourselves. Wow, what a challenging process.
Thank you for expressing this delicate subject, especially so when the tormentors have revealed themselves so openly after decades or centuries of working to harm humanity for their benefit.
Trauma does indeed settle in the body. It is not merely about the idea of forgiveness. The body needs time and attention to heal and clear such energy to make way for better. The Octagon Society lesson also includes a breathing exercise for that very reason.
Delusion knows no bounds, and is *always* the other person's problem.
(I wrote about my own personal experience with that in a recent essay, when I didn't see that I was obese with a 46" waist and buying xxl and sometimes xxxl shirts.)
Again, thank you for a good look into a tough part of being human on the path to expanded humanity.
Forgiveness for trying to eradicate us? Why in the world would I want to forgive someone who will stop at nothing to get me and countless others vaccinated. Ain’t happening…
Before forgiveness we need justice.
And before justice we need to stop them killing us.
I'm merely saying forgiveness is available to us even if justice never comes, and forgiveness in no way prevents us from seeking justice.
With Dr Hotez you can sense that he's in his own personal hell of sorts staunchly defending vaccines which likely irreparably damaged his daughter. I pity him in a way as I think the death or disfigurement of children is the worst personal Hell a parent can endure. That said the example of Krishna is illustrative: the perpetrator of abuse is emboldened by the forgiveness and becomes even more absuive and full of contempt. Now that it is at a point of mass genocide there needs to be a righting of the karmic balance...
He is a pity, he might very well be emboldened by forgiveness and become more abusive, and yes he is on the genocidal side of karma.
I feel like I get what you mean. We can still have love for all beings even those that want to kill us, we can practice ahimsa, non- harming, and still stand up for ourselves.
In my experience if I give into anger and hatred, which is justified, I feel like I lose my humanity. So having compassion, at a distance, for an abuser is the way I keep balance and keep my soul intact. Compassion for an abuser does not mean letting them abuse us, just acknowledging they are human, if very disturbed and twisted. We must still stand up for ourselves and our fellow human beings from abusers of any kind. 🪷
Tend your soul first, right action flows from there. Of course forgiveness is just one aspect of soul tending, but one that is most hard to understand, particularly in this political climate, which is why I have dwelt on it. But I will not be harping on it, moving along.
Yes! Well said, tend to your soul first and then right action flows from there..... I love that and its true. We want to make good changes, not repeat mistakes or give into hatred or bitterness.
The personal is not political. Forgiveness is personal, so it's not my place to criticize it.
Accountability is what I'm concerned about. On that topic, I'm a hardliner.
I'm much more a hardliner on accountability than forgiveness.
Oh what a beautiful post, William. My last episodes on Pedo-Sadists has been my most controversial, even more than Forgiving Hitler, because it deals with this topic.
My definition of forgiveness is a little different than yours. It's giving the benefit of the doubt forward that, if I had been born in that person's life, I would have done no better ... maybe worse. So my focus is on understanding what would make me do something like that--going to the cause--and then taking away the reward system--enacting the consequences.
You do this succinctly with Hotez. He completely reveals his reason for his fanaticism with the title of his book on his daughter: Vaccines Did Not Cause Rachel's Autism. And I agree that I wouldn't wish that on anyone, to be living with the immediate consequences of his decisions, with his self-worth depending on his denial.
Since you and I connected first on tonic masculinity, I feel like the response to evil actions can be another form of the toxic patriarchy, which I define as superiority, or the maternal--and you know I think of masculine and feminine as being attributes of all of us. The domineering father archetype reacts to bad behavior with blame, yelling, punishment. The nurturing mother archetype asks why? Not of the child but of their own intuition. She looks at the reward system and what the child is getting from the bad behavior. And then she changes that.
With Hotez or Pedo-Sadists, taking their power over others away is tantamount. Our hatred, anger or blame doesn't accomplish that. I love your spiritual alchemy.
We need a great deal of tonic father, mother, uncle, aunt, brother, sister, grandfather, grandmother, warrior and healer energy now.
Smiles and agreement. And among your other roles, tonic son, mentor, modeller of RL skills and hard work, physically, mentally, emotionally.
Since reading this article, I have had several conversations about forgiveness with people of very disparate ideologies. They all agree that "forgiveness" is for the one harmed, to release hatred and other negative attachments. I personally think that those attachments will be fodder for the Karmic Recycling Team after death to persuade souls to return to Prison Planet to "redeem" themselves. The folks I have talked with also believe that there is a lot of desire for "absolution" by the ones who actually cause the harm. It gives me hope for mankind.
It is hard to imagine working in he medical industry and having an inkling of the harm, but I imagine there are many throughout who would like a reorienting.
Indeed. I should also clarify that when I used the word "absolution," I meant that many harm-causers want to be forgiven as a spiritual bypass. Like Emily Oster and those others begging "Covid Amnesty," they are not likely to take responsibility for their actions, either spiritually, psychologically, or in their future deeds. In fact, I believe most of them to be full-on Satanists or Luciferians who are playing their given role in perpetuating and expanding the Matrix. But yes, many are coming to terms with their harmful acts, and seek true forgiveness and as you say so well, "a reorienting."
Calls for covid amnesty are hollow from those who continue to deny the harm of covid policy. Most of what I see from the medical community now is solidifying the justification for total censorship of anyone who questions them.
Yes, it is a sad state of mankind for the most part. I mean, that's assuming they are full-spectrum humans!🤖👽🦎😈🤡😵😳
Excellent article, William, on a difficult subject.
And how you linked Krshna's and Christ's actions and ideas about the principle of forgiveness being distinct from acting against injustice or turning a blind eye. It seems to me that there is a great deal of confusion about that.
I recommend to those who haven't read it, Tereza Coraggio's excellent essay on this topic too, which she courageously calls "Forgiving Hitler: and questioning the narrative of WWII".
https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/forgiving-hitler
Forgiveness is not something that can be forced or inauthentically mouthed. Alice Miller argues well that the psychologically accepted importance of forgiveness has often been demanded as necessary for healing the personal psyche. For those who are unable to accept that they have the power to free themselves from bondage with their perceived past or present tormentors in whatever guise they present themselves, will often die young. It is a fascinating and well argued idea, making good use of the childhood abuse ACE studies. For the curious, 'The Body Never Lies: The Lingering Effects of Hurtful Parenting.' https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/386697.The_Body_Never_Lies
And what is very challenging by we victims of having been traumatised, or as we are experiencing now an ongoing genocidal effort, is that without true forgiveness we are bound to the 'enemy' much more strongly than if we let them go out of our hearts, because anger against the abuser keeps the enemy inside of us. Hmmm. Forgiveness is allowing our hearts to clear out their toxicity from ourselves. Wow, what a challenging process.
Thank you for expressing this delicate subject, especially so when the tormentors have revealed themselves so openly after decades or centuries of working to harm humanity for their benefit.
Thank you, Guy.
Trauma does indeed settle in the body. It is not merely about the idea of forgiveness. The body needs time and attention to heal and clear such energy to make way for better. The Octagon Society lesson also includes a breathing exercise for that very reason.
As to our tormentors, they are even now claiming not one single person has died because of the Covid mRNA jab, and that no one really has been harmed: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2808358
Amazing!
Delusion knows no bounds, and is *always* the other person's problem.
(I wrote about my own personal experience with that in a recent essay, when I didn't see that I was obese with a 46" waist and buying xxl and sometimes xxxl shirts.)
Again, thank you for a good look into a tough part of being human on the path to expanded humanity.
Forgiveness for trying to eradicate us? Why in the world would I want to forgive someone who will stop at nothing to get me and countless others vaccinated. Ain’t happening…
Like I said...controversial...just saying you can forgive, while holding a scourge to stop them....
Very enlightening. Thank you.
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Thank you Ronnette!